Suicide -Vs- Abortion! Why Is One Considered Selfish While The Other Isn’t? (Video)
by Tj Sotomayor August 14, 2014 47 commentsIs It Both, Either Or Neither?
By: Tommy “Tj” Sotomayor
Someone went off on me today, telling me how Robin Williams committing suicide was selfish as hell and how could I not say that in my video? Well I thought on it for a while and wondered if she was right. Then I also wondered about her being a woman outraged over this guy taking his own life! Then I saw that this woman was a liberal, asked her if she believe in abortion and she said yeah, its a womans body and a womans right! So this video is in response to her email!
Now, shouldnt not only abortion be looked at as selfish but it should be looked at as irresponsible as well because there is no need to get an abortion when you have access free to all types of birth control?
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Jump into a conversationneither. EOF.
Selfish ? No . People who live in glass houses shouldn’t cast stones , suicide takes your life , & yours alone , Murder takes the life of another .
“suicide takes your life , & yours alone” You’re too retarded to realize that it affects the close ones around you,especially when you do it out of the blue, so at the end of the day it’s somewhat selfish regardless of mental illness or not
I’ve been suicidal in the past and I assume my life will end by my own hands someday, and even I will say suicide is selfish. The only reason I haven’t taken my life in the past is because of my family and even my dogs.
That isn’t your problem when you are dead…
So simple minded, the next time your wife decides to commit suicide your eyes will open and that’s a sad way to have to put it, you’ll be left in pain and your family, always wondering at the back of your mind why she did it and if you believe in spirits….well you’re gonna have a fine time on earth before you can pass on
Who are any off us to say that anyone has to keep on living. If it was my wife and she killed herself I wouldn’t be disgracing her name. I would be letting her rest in peace. You suffer from the day you are born. Let that man rest in peace. His kids are super rich. He left his kids with a ton on paper, how is that selfish. That is what some kids want. Let that man rest in peace. It’s done.
Good point, but can we correct without insulting?
Hypocrites Liberal and Conservatives
I’m amazed at all the people who call his suicide selfish. Even with such a long history of substance abuse and depression he was still denied being a flawed being just like everyone else. To answer your question the media has been flooded with the topic of abortion for awhile and the pro choice crowd has framed abortion as a woman’s right to control her body as being free. Suicide is seen as a selfish act because people in general do not understand mental illness. They always apply their perspective which doesn’t allow them to consider that people have different tolerances to stress loads and coping mechanisms(healthy and unhealthy).
Tommy, check out a book called ‘The Virtue of Selfishness’ by Ayn Rand. All the answers to your questions can be found in those pages. Don’t listen to altruist and those who advocate altruism!
Robin Williams had the right to do as he pleased with his life. As for the abortion issue, I will not comment as I do not agree nor disagree.
I agree with the principle behind abortion, but like every other thing people get their hands on, its been corrupted.
Using it as a contraception because you were too stupid/lazy/drunk to be responsible while having sex? Hell no.
Using it because some poor 15 year old was raped and ended up pregnant? Hell yes because too many things are going to go very wrong if you force that girl to have that child.
Using it because there are complications during pregnancy and having that child has been confirmed to have a extremely high chance of killing the mother? Hell yes (not a choice I’d want to ever get caught in).
It depends entirely on the situation but it should never be used as a “get out of jail free” pass. That is indeed a selfhish act.
Suicide IS selfish no doubt about it, so is abortion.
So what? the problem is that people see selfishness negatively when its not.
People abort because they’re selfish, People HAVE kids not for the kid itself (since it doesn’t exist yet) but because THEY want kids. Humans are selfish beings simple as that.
Robin Williams had every right to take his own life if he didn’t want it anymore, but it is a selfish act in regards to the people around him. However he didnt have to take it in to consideration if he wants do it anyway.
we all die in the end…live and let live or die
People fail to realize even having children is selfish. People want children, plus the world is horribly over populated and there are millions of unwanted children already. Why add to the problem?
Someone has to have kids or the human race will die out.
Really??? With BILLIONS of people on the planet, I think people could stand to have less children.
All it takes is one generation of no children for it all to be over.
And a lot of kids don’t make it.
what is the name of the song in the background?
If we accept that the baby in the womb has started the life continuum, then to stop that process is to stop that life in the womb from progressing. If you make that decision consciously then you have ‘killed’ or ‘murdered’ that child you were carrying. No amount of sophistry, semantics, legal or political maneuverings challenges that fact. And yes, it is and always will be a selfish despicable act.
It amazes me how people judge things such as suicide and abortion. Mr.Williams had to be hurting bad to do what he did. I can’t say he was selfish. He wanted to leave and that was his only way out. In black communities suicide is a weak act. Hell, people deny mental disorders. Praying will not help it. Sorry holy rollers. Doctors and proper treatment/medications will help. I don’t think an abortion is selfish. I think its selfish to bring another life into the world knowing you not prepared to care for a child properly. Its selfish to put a child on someone who doesn’t want one. I feel the baby isn’t born yet so how does the word murder come into the topic? Remember that lady with 5011 kids who needed the state/governments help? Remember all those babies who got dumped in the garbage alive? Remember the lady smoking a glass dick while breastfeeding her baby? Those stories are of selfish people who did shit to get sympathy from people around them.( with the exception of the babies thrown in the trash). Men kill me. You have unprotected sex and then get pissed when she come back pregnant. You don’t want kids and the financial burden either. Then if she has the child she becomes a gold digging bitch. So, which will it be guys? Abortion is not an easy choice. It lingers and it hurts. But calling it selfish I can’t do. I will never consider it selfish. Robin Williams battled with depression and addiction for almost his entire life. He’s not selfish what so ever. Its sad but not selfish. Depression consists of more than being sad about not being able to buy On The Run tickets people. But this is just my p.o.v.
Selfish are the ones that are left behind. How selfish of a low life can someone be to want to point a finger at someone for committing suicide and calling that person selfish. I call all of those left behind, selfish mother fuckers who pushed that one person to suicide. Humans, ask way too fucking much of one another and humans rely on someone else for their happiness. You all have to ask, what the fuck is it that was going on that pushed that person so far into a lonely mental anguish and agony that the best thought is to go to sleep and never wake up. people who are suicidal, don’t want to die. they just want to pain to go away. sometimes the pain is so painful, that the thought of not waking up, is more comforting. Suicide, a very touchy subject. Anyone who hasn’t suffered from any form of deep depression, should not have the right to speak nor voice their opinion on suicide period!!! My personal opinion, it’s mother fuckers here on earth who push their own loved ones to suicide, period!!!
easiest thing on earth for people to do is, look away, and turn your back on someone when they are at a low point in their life. I like how it’s almost always the scum bags who have never suffered real agony that comment first and want to scream out their opinion on subjects they know absolutely nothing about from personal experience. so for those of you who keep telling someone you know personally “Go die and go hang yourself and go kill yourself and life would be better without you in it” and bla bla bla.. say it AGAIN, Go ahaead, it may just be your last breath on earth too and not just the one person who you push to suicide.
I would rather someone kill a child in the womb than wait until after it’s born to kill it.
I’m pretty sure most people still see abortion as a selfish, horrible thing! Of course I live in Arkansas!
well was never dummy to make kids don’t have money to take care of them for life but i was one that did suicide a’fthere both parents left me at 16
how can a person be selfish when no one cared about that person when fake people are around it make’s the one in pain not want to be here plus when a person chosed not to want to be here and go threw things that make pain to were you say for get no one selfish but the one who have kids and run downtown yet world clame to want to help when they only help hoe’s who are wanting to use a baby for money so who is selfish
I’ve had this discussion with someone recently. What I don’t understand is that if you look at his last couple interviews…he looked like he had ADHD, at least the behavioral patters of a person doing so. We see the happy go lucky dude but on the other side he does this because he does not know what else to do. As far as calling him selfish for taking his own life? Why call his selfish when you don’t know the man personally and he has spent over a decade to make YOU happy all of this time.. Don’t call the man selfish…say thank you and I’m sorry that you felt you needed to go. Any other words that need to be said leave that to the privacy and respect of his own family.
People may not like what I have to say, but oh well… First of all how can you compare suicide to abortion!? In most cases suicide is self-assisted, abortions are LEGAL murder, tax-payer funded (yes, that is why they are subsidized), and you get assistance from a doctor – to end an innocent life. And it’s all done under “the rights of women”. There are PLENTY of stories out there of women who have ended their life (or tried to) because of their DEPRESSION from having abortion. Sorry, I am just calling it as I see it. I personally do NOT believe in abortion, I think it’s horrible! Plus, I’m not going to get into all of the Margret Sanger/Eugenics stuff. That’s for another time…
I don’t think it was TJ intention to compare suicide to abortion, but rather expose the hypocrisy in people and what we consider selfish. He often speaks on hypocrisy, and this comparison was an attempt to further his observation of people.
I understand that part. I was just saying in general about the comparison. not from him.
I’m not for anyone resorting to suicide as a way out, but if you get to that point in your life, I rather you take your own life than taking someone else with you. That’s selfishness in my opinion. Tired of hearing about “parents” taking the lives of their loved ones and themselves mostly over financial disputes or custody battles.
As for abortion, I have always found it bullshit that women get 100% say in regards to giving birth. If a woman and I were to consent and have sex [protection or not] and she gets pregnant, she could say she wants to keep the child and I say no I don’t want a child and 9 months later I’m paying child support for a child I don’t want. The flip would be she wants an abortion and I want a child, but she could have it killed and I can’t do shit about it. If women could get pregnant by themselves, then my argument would be mute, but as Rob Base once said, “It takes two…”. That’s why I want to be married before I even consider laying down with someone because it seems like custody and child support bring out the worst in people.
This is where religious people have an advantage. The idea of “faith” affords them a respite in difficult times.
Conversely, logical thinking people examine trends of past and present to envision the future. There is no faith, but rather a projected outcome from trend analysis.
Non-religious people have to believe in themselves. That is their source of faith; themselves. It is a heavy burden to bear. I do not know if it is the right choice, but I have also chosen the non-religious path and faith weighs heavily on me each and every day.
I believe the answer resides in a person’s ability to find strength in overcoming struggle. Put things in perspective, and dwell upon your accomplishments.
Love you brother!
Very reasoned video. I love these philosophical vids where you talk with that classic Tupac/ Jamiroquai’ beat in the background. You are sounding increasingly suicidal yourself lately Tommy, hope you dont let faceless characters online get you down to such dangerous lows. Your daughter (and her maturing into a decent beautiful young sista), if NOTHING else should the greatest reason for continuing to live, breathe and inspire. Cheers from London!
Suicide is not selfish. Its your life, so you can choose to end it whenever you want.
And don’t give me that bullshit about all the people you hurt when someone does it, because if those people were there for the person BEFORE they committed suicide, then there wouldn’t be a problem.
YOU WANT IT ALL BUT U CAN’T HAVE IT..
IT’S IN YOUR FACE BUT U CAN’T GRAB IT!
EPIC like your rants!!!!Like your life!!!
I live in ATL and as of right now I am “looking” for you, know that!!!!
Oh I really admire you courage in going to Ferguson…
As a man, I’m on the fence about abortion. It’s definitely wrong to use abortion as a form of birth control; however, I find that people that are usually extremely against abortion don’t have any adopted children and has never went out of their way to feed, cloth, or provide a home for a person that didn’t belong to their family. It’s usually always people that have something negative to say about people really down in the dirty and in need. Usually people that “conservative mind set” will have a problem with abortion but will also have a problem with public assistance, unfortunately it’s kind of one or the other in most situations. Now there is the option of just be careful and don’t get pregnant and there are more then enough options out there( no excuses);however, if you do find yourself in that situation, and you know in your heart and mind that you are in no way capable of being the parent that child deserves you can of course give the kid up for adoption, but people will have a problem with that too(“Have the baby give him/her up for abortion: How could you do that, that was your child! Have the baby no abortion/adoption, need babysitter. Ain’t nobody tell you to have that baby, I didn’t lay up and make that baby… A lose-lose situation.
YES, suicide is selfish. Bu it is a learned trait, honed thru millennia after millennia of scarcity. Back in the day, if you worked hard to grow crops, and someone asked for the fruits of your labor and you said NO, you were being selfish. The last time you asked for and were chosen for a job and accepted that job, you were being selfish (and I’ll bet you didn’t lose a minute of sleep worrying about all the people that received rejection letters because YOU got that job). It doesn’t matter weather the selfishness is socially acceptable or not. As TJ says, words matter, and selfish is selfish. Whether you’re ending YOUR life because you no longer care to live it, or you end up outbidding someone else on a house that you both really wanted. I’m both instances, you’re putting your own feelings, needs, or desires ahead of those of someone else… it is what it is… in this case that “is” is SELFISH.
Btw… one of the best vids this year! (IMO)
IS THIS MORE THAN YOU BARGAINED FOR YET
OH, DONT MIND ME IM WATCHING
YOU TWO FROM THE CLOSET WISHING TO BE THE FRICTION IN YOUR JEANS.
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I knew a woman who had an abortion. She said she wasn’t going to raise a child by herself in poverty. In that sense I understand. Honestly I’d rather see a child dead than growing up in poverty, no chance of a future, no daddy. The worst sin is actually oppression not suicide, opression is what destroys people faith. Suicide? Well, A convict committed suicide because he didn’t want to do time in prison plus he felt that he was in control because his attitude was ”if I’m going to die by anyone’s hands they are going to be mine”. People forget many slaves committed suicide because they didn’t want to be slaves & the women had abortions because they didn’t want they children to be slaves.
What’s up Tommy, Abortion is considered selfishness but some people wouldn’t see it that way because of there selfish needs. I believe no one should experience both but perception always seem like it’s the way out. Even, when people know what the truth is. LOL.
What’s up Tommy you have said this in so many ways before , but I will say it again ; it is selfish for a woman TO HAVE THE BABY WHEN SHE KNOWS THE guy who got her PREGNANT DOES NOT WANT the baby!! , but they usually reverse the selfishness on the men!! The problem with women especially a lot of feminist is that they know that if MAN makes everything EQUAL; women will still have a problem with the INEQUALITY that God Created! And women will still reply “Thats not fair”!!!!! LoLLLLLL!!!
Here are my views on the death of Robin Williams,
Here is someone that had access to any doctor in the world. He most likely had money to follow through with treatment. Thousands of people die every year and he gets put on a pedestal like he was god or something. What he did was devastating to many friends, family. He is a scumbag for destroying so many lives of the people that cared about him. He took the selfish easy way out. He has now sent a message to all people suffering with depression that there is no hope. If he couldn’t over come it and having all the resources at his hand, how can anyone think there is any hope for people without the same resources?
and that’s all I have to say about that.
Very valid argument although not everything is always so black and white, each one has it’s own grey area. Do I personally think suicide is selfish, no I do not. When you are in the frame of mind that you feel life is no longer worth living, that death is your only way of finding peace. Well you don’t rationalise and think how selfish you’re being, all you want is to not be the way you are anymore. So many people are quick to shoot off at the mouth about suicide and the effects on those left behind. Don’t they ever consider for one minute the personal turmoil that person was going through in their mind to get them to that point? No they don’t because they are ignorant, they are ignorant because unless you have been in that situation, felt that same inner turmoil they have
Tommy, I am with you on Robin Williams’ right to end it all, since it’s his life. I also think that it is in fact selfish to have an abortion. But I still think abortion should be legal in that if anyone is gonna decide to have an abortion and deal with the aftermath, it should be the parents (also the father.) I’m not sure how you come down on this issue in terms of how it should be legislated, but I am curious.
In my opinion, both the parents should vote, and if one wants to keep it and the other does not, the one who wants to keep the child should be completely responsible for the child’s welfare and the parent who does not forfeits all rights to the child unless the responsible parent gives rights.
I also think the term limits on how late you can get an abortion should be a shorter time period, but that conservative states like Texas should get out of the way of those that do. For instance, I think the common limit of 24 weeks should be lessened to 12 weeks, but that the compromise should be that it’s easier to get one.
Tommy -Your thoughts and opinions are individualistic and promote thought. I follow your videos and blogs and find that I laugh, cry, agree and disagree – yet always learn something new . Tommy you are the man. My dad was a Jamaican and my mother was English – I take shit from everyone. I should feel upset and insulted by some of the things you say, I do not because they are truthful ! In the phoney baloney environment of cyberspace the only person I have come across dealing with social issues honestly is you. Bizarrely with this video Tommy you have saved my life: thank you, I was going to hang myself and maybe selfishly leave my children behind. What I realised was that you understand the depths and the crises life chucks upon us leaving a shit stain for all to see!. It is sink or swim to use a cliche and those bastards calling us selfish for entertaining the idea of taking ourselves out of the shit or doing it for real (RIP to those who have0 actually revel in our demise and encourage it. It is a personal choice and a brave one You are on it. Life is not pretty – shit happens . I wanted to die and now I don’t because all the things you exposed here about being selfish do not relate to my being. You remind me of my father a strong man telling it as it is and and what most people forget is that you have a great sense of humour. I’m not clowning you OMG no. plz keep on keeping it real (just like my hair). Big love from a lady who wishes you the best x.
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