Ben Affleck & Bill Maher Have A Heated Discussion About If Islam Is A Violent! Watch & You Decide! (Video)
by Tj Sotomayor October 5, 2014 45 commentsWho Do You Agree With?
By: Tommy “Tj” Sotomayor
Well, I watched this heated exchange between one of my favorite talk show host and one of my favorite actors and I must say that I have a whole lot of thoughts about this. Bill Maher and Ben Affleck got into what can only be described as a bitter argument about the merits of the muslim religion and the people in America who work hard to make the majority of the religion out to be a violent religion. Watch and you make the decision on whos side that you are on!
Now, here are my thoughts on what I just saw and you can tell me how you feel about it after!
I like Bill Maher but a lot of times he speaks out of his A$$! In this instance however he was speaking a lot of sense.
I like Ben Affleck but in this debate him over talking and using a bunch of sarcasm seemed to hurt his case. This is one of the reasons why I don’t like liberals or conservatives arguing because when they feel they are not getting their point across they will start to yell, over talk and then use sarcasm so that you cant get to your point!
The problem with what was being discussed is that there is no right or wrong answer but I hate when they bring up Blacks as their point of reference to religious or gay arguments. Damn it, you cant see if someone is a muslim or gay but you will always know if someone is black or not!
The whole muslim argument is a good one because if a religion has in its wording for its followers that they must kill people who either dont believe in their religion or people who try to leave then you cant say that these people are peaceful as a whole even if they dont all subscribe to those tenants! Ben was a big misguided in his arguments but I understood where he was coming from. The Christian religion has been responsible for as many or more atrocities than any other religion but somehow it escapes the mainstream which bothers me to the fullest!
Ben Affleck was acting way too emotional for my taste and it ruined his argument for me. The truth is that you should talk about the way a religion is viewed from all sides. There is nothing wrong with talking about things that go on in that religion and Islam is no exception!
Ben Affleck got real angry at TV host Bill Maher and author Sam Harris during Real Time With Bill Maher on Friday, accusing the pair of portraying an overgeneralized picture of Islam by using a few extreme examples. Maher and Harris say they’re just speaking uncomfortable truths. “We have been sold this meme of Islamophobia, where criticism of the religion gets conflated with bigotry toward Muslims as people,” Harris began, reports Mediaite. “It’s intellectually ridiculous.” And that’s when Affleck jumps up: “Hold on — are you the person who officially understands the codified doctrine of Islam?” It gets more and more heated from there as Affleck chastises Maher and Harris for being racists, two charges they repeatedly deny.
“Why are you so hostile about this?” Maher asked Affleck. “It’s gross and racist. It’s like saying, Oh you shifty Jew,’” Affleck replied. “Your argument is, ‘You know, black people, they shoot each other,’” the actor, who went on the show to promote his new movie, said at one point. There was lots of yelling back and forth throughout the segment as journalist Nicholas Kristof tried to interject with some more calm criticism, saying Maher and Harris were painting an “incomplete” picture of a religion. But Maher insisted, saying at one point that Islam is “the only religion that acts like the mafia” because “they will fucking kill you if you say the wrong thing, draw the wrong picture, or write the wrong book.”
The heated back-and-forth came a week after Maher sparked controversy for his views on Islam, which led to a response from religious scholar Reza Aslan on CNN that quickly went viral.
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Jump into a conversationGood points made by both sides, who’s right?…..I don’t know enough to answer.
Good points made by both sides, who’s right?…..I don’t know enough to answer.
I hope Bill Maher gets ebola in his bootyhole.
I hope Bill Maher gets ebola in his bootyhole.
I’m not a Muslim, nor am I religious, but I HONESTLY believe there is a concerted effort to rid the world of fundamentalist religions. I think the Islamic faith is the next to become under attack. If you remember after 9/11, there was an innate fear and hate for those of the Muslim faith. If you’ve read that book Behold a Pale Horse, Cooper talked about this as well. Another interesting fact is if you look at the history of our wars, we always attack religious epicenters in other countries. For example: When we dropped the Atom Bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima, they just so happen to have the highest concentration of Christians in the country. Another example: Most people don’t know that the Nazi occupation was entirely religious (this is important because our govt and the World Bankers funded Hitler). They were a part of something bigger than just world domination for a race, it was to eradicate fundamentalist religions as well (by the way most of our world leaders today subscribe to the same exact religion as the Nazis). A third example: In the Vietnam war, America’s puppet president, Diem brought so-called Christian Vietnamese (I’m sure the U.S. had something to do with) to the south and the locals fought them off and became the Vietcong. Like I said, I’m not religious but I have no hate for people if they are. I think its by design that you have all these fake preachers and mega churches; it helps to discredit the validity of religions. I actually think it’s a good thing if people actually follow the religion, the problem is you have people that don’t practice what they preach and try to shame YOU. Jesus never condemned people for making mistakes nor did he try to shove his religion down peoples’ throats.
I’m not a Muslim, nor am I religious, but I HONESTLY believe there is a concerted effort to rid the world of orthodox religions. I think the Islamic faith is the next to become under attack. If you remember after 9/11, there was an innate fear and hate for those of the Muslim faith. If you’ve read that book Behold a Pale Horse, Cooper talked about this as well. Another interesting fact is if you look at the history of our wars, we always attack religious epicenters in other countries. For example: When we dropped the Atom Bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima, they just so happen to have the highest concentration of Christians in the country. Another example: Most people don’t know that the Nazi occupation was entirely religious. They were a part of something bigger than just world domination for a race, it was to eradicate Orthodox religions as well (by the way most of our world leaders today subscribe to the same exact religion as the Nazis). A third example: In the Vietnam war, America’s puppet president, Diem brought so-called Christian Vietnamese to the south and the locals fought them off and became the Vietcong. Like I said, I’m not religious but I have no hate for people if they are. I think its by design that you have all these fake preachers and mega churches; it helps to discredit the validity of religions. I actually think it’s a good thing if people actually follow the religion, the problem is you have people that don’t practice what they preach and try to shame YOU. Jesus never condemned people for making mistakes nor did he try to shove his religion down peoples’ throats.
Both sides make good points. But Ben is so overly emotional about the subject and unwilling to acknowledge the obvious argument – at this point in time, Islam has challenges in the world and the 1.5 billion of them had better police themselves or get ready to have the world kick the ish out of them.
Both sides make good points. But Ben is so overly emotional about the subject and unwilling to acknowledge the obvious argument – at this point in time, Islam has challenges in the world and the 1.5 billion of them had better police themselves or get ready to have the world kick the ish out of them.
“Meme” is a good word.
Faith is a mental illness. Religion is not genetic, but the propensity for mental illness is.
“Meme” is a good word.
Faith is a mental illness. Religion is not genetic, but the propensity for mental illness is.
well its kinda like the stigma on Rastafri everybody thinks that Rastas smoke ganja all day when the first majority of Rasta include alot of today Rasta don’t even smoke at all
Rastafri as a basic principle believes smoking brings you closer to God.
see another stigma a lot of Rasta dont say that plus the inhalation of any smoke defiles your body now if you are going to chew or eat the plant as nature gives or prepares for you im ts rawest form then it can bring closer to the most highs and nature. still, you can rat spinach or any other green plant and get that effect i know cuz im a vegan or better a nature being
What I read before said smoke, but what youRe saying makes much more sense & sounds much more spiritual! Other than being a vegan do you practice rasta? I’ve read about it but never met anyone who actually practices nor have I read any of the rasta spiritual texts.
well i follow the discipline of Rasta which is to respect nature work with nature and nature will work with you and see that’s what i mean about Islam or Christianity we only see what they to show us to believe. yes ppl has killed in the name of Islam but Muhammad never told them to do dat neither did Christ tell Christians to do so. then even Christ and Muhammad said to follow the laws of the most highs never to kill people and to create religions in their names and kill and oppress people. they never even said follow them but walk beside them go figure
Direct quotes from the Qur’an:
Book of Muhammad, verse 4 (47:4) -“Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.”
Book of Al-Tawba, verse 123 (9:123) – “Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and
you.”
Book ofl-Tawba verse 29 (9:29) – “Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the last day… and fight People of the Book, (Christian and Jews) who do not accept the religion of truth (Islam) until they pay tribute (Jizyah tax) by hand, being inferior.”
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These are direct quotes from their holy scriptures. The “crazy, radicals” are following the word. Least we forget that Comparing Jesus to Muhammad would be like.comparing John or Paul or even Joseph Smith ( of the mormon faith)to Jesus as Muhammad only ever claimed to be a prophet not the Savior.
Luke 6: 27-36:
“But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,
28
pray for those who mistreat you.
someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. Give to everyone who asks you,
30
and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back.
you would have them do to you.
“If you love those who love you, what
32
credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them.
good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. And if you lend tothose from whom
34
you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full.
your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father
36
is merciful.
well what can i tell you because you know what you you know but the actions of both parties speak louder then their scriptures. plus you cant read everything in Bible on the face value meaning. alot of it is written in codes and only the adept can read and figure it out. but if the Muslims are so evil why is it ah state or country known as the USA who is a christian state keep on funding these Muslim terrorist in the middle east or so called terrorist and why not are these ppl not talking about the so call jews involvement in alot of the violence going on
There is a long list of problems with the US government including the funding of terrorist groups.
My point about Islam is the actual doctrine is one of violence not peace. Not all people who identify themselves as Muslim practice that violence & don’t believe in that violence. For those people they are not a threat & should not be painted with that brush. There is a difference between peaceful people who call themselves Muslim & violent people who practice that actual teachings of Islam. Its like you said there are Christians who don’t follow the actual teachings of Christ. It is important to note that the US is not a Christian country, there is no official religion. It is also important to point out that the “moderate muslim” who does not speak out against Islamic violence is walking the same path as many pre WW2 Germans who stood by not supporting Hitler but not stopping him either, in that way they too are guilty.
well in the bible it say vengeance belongs to the lord go figure . but you do know Hitler was a so called Jew too right go look it up. second dosnt bill not believe in god so why is talking on religion anyway. third every president that ive heard and i could be wrong advocated for Christianity. plus most governments uses the science or template of Islam to run their governments go look that up too. four and i know this is gonna be argued but look it up Americas government was built on the template or sciences of Islam. go look up the moors of America then go look up the treaty of peace and friend ship and before you reply look up what i told you please. last thing that pyramid on back of your dollar bill is a Moorish seal of the empire of Morocco here in America which is also an Islamic symbol . now pleas please go look up the info i told b4 you reply and peace everything together
Hitler was evil, no matter how he defined himself.
The US has NO official religion, the presidents to this point have identified themselves as Christians. Swearing in with a bible, however there’s no law that requires it to be a bible as far as I was able to find. Many of the items you mentioned would actually point to the USA being either a non-christian or fake Christian state. Many of the items you are.pointing to I am actually quite familar with as I know of the i
luminati and their global mission, it is not limited to the US. Maybe you can piece it together.
As for Bill, I know nothing of his personal religious beliefs, but he was saying the doctrine of Islam is not peaceful, which it is not. As for what is the answer? I don’t have a clear one b/c the issue is more with the doctrine than the people & that is the real issue, separating those who are peaceful from those who practice a violent doctrine. Vengeance only begets more vengeance & ultimately solves nothing.
well its kinda like the stigma on Rastafri everybody thinks that Rastas smoke ganja all day when the first majority of Rasta include alot of today Rasta don’t even smoke at all
Rastafri as a basic principle believes smoking brings you closer to God.
see another stigma a lot of Rasta dont say that plus the inhalation of any smoke defiles your body now if you are going to chew or eat the plant as nature gives or prepares for you im ts rawest form then it can bring closer to the most highs and nature. still, you can rat spinach or any other green plant and get that effect i know cuz im a vegan or better a nature being
What I read before said smoke, but what youRe saying makes much more sense & sounds much more spiritual! Other than being a vegan do you practice rasta? I’ve read about it but never met anyone who actually practices nor have I read any of the rasta spiritual texts.
well i follow the discipline of Rasta which is to respect nature work with nature and nature will work with you and see that’s what i mean about Islam or Christianity we only see what they to show us to believe. yes ppl has killed in the name of Islam but Muhammad never told them to do dat neither did Christ tell Christians to do so. then even Christ and Muhammad said to follow the laws of the most highs never to kill people and to create religions in their names and kill and oppress people. they never even said follow them but walk beside them go figure
Direct quotes from the Qur’an:
Book of Muhammad, verse 4 (47:4) -“Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.”
Book of Al-Tawba, verse 123 (9:123) – “Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and
you.”
Book ofl-Tawba verse 29 (9:29) – “Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the last day… and fight People of the Book, (Christian and Jews) who do not accept the religion of truth (Islam) until they pay tribute (Jizyah tax) by hand, being inferior.”
O
These are direct quotes from their holy scriptures. The “crazy, radicals” are following the word. Least we forget that Comparing Jesus to Muhammad would be like.comparing John or Paul or even Joseph Smith ( of the mormon faith)to Jesus as Muhammad only ever claimed to be a prophet not the Savior.
Luke 6: 27-36:
“But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,
28
pray for those who mistreat you.
someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. Give to everyone who asks you,
30
and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back.
you would have them do to you.
“If you love those who love you, what
32
credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them.
good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. And if you lend tothose from whom
34
you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full.
your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father
36
is merciful.
well what can i tell you because you know what you you know but the actions of both parties speak louder then their scriptures. plus you cant read everything in Bible on the face value meaning. alot of it is written in codes and only the adept can read and figure it out. but if the Muslims are so evil why is it ah state or country known as the USA who is a christian state keep on funding these Muslim terrorist in the middle east or so called terrorist and why not are these ppl not talking about the so call jews involvement in alot of the violence going on
There is a long list of problems with the US government including the funding of terrorist groups.
My point about Islam is the actual doctrine is one of violence not peace. Not all people who identify themselves as Muslim practice that violence & don’t believe in that violence. For those people they are not a threat & should not be painted with that brush. There is a difference between peaceful people who call themselves Muslim & violent people who practice that actual teachings of Islam. Its like you said there are Christians who don’t follow the actual teachings of Christ. It is important to note that the US is not a Christian country, there is no official religion. It is also important to point out that the “moderate muslim” who does not speak out against Islamic violence is walking the same path as many pre WW2 Germans who stood by not supporting Hitler but not stopping him either, in that way they too are guilty.
well in the bible it say vengeance belongs to the lord go figure . but you do know Hitler was a so called jew too right go look it up. second dosnt bill not believe in god so why is talking on religion anyway. third every president that ive heard and i could be wrong advocated for Christianity. even most governments uses the science or temple of Islam to run their governments go look that up too. four and know this is gonna be argued but look it up americas government was built on the templet or sciences of Islam. gol ook up the moors of America then go look up the treaty of peace and friend ship and before reply look up what i told you please. last thing that prymid on back of your dollar bill is a Moorish seal of the empire of Morocco here in America which is also an Islamic symbol . now pleas please go look up the info i told b4 you rply and peace everything together
Hitler was evil, no matter how he defined himself.
The US has NO official religion, the presidents to this point have identified themselves as Christians. Swearing in with a bible, however there’s no law that requires it to be a bible as far as I was able to find. Many of the items you mentioned would actually point to the USA being either a non-christian or fake Christian state. Many of the items you are.pointing to I am actually quite familar with as I know of the i
luminati and their global mission, it is not limited to the US. Maybe you can piece it together.
As for Bill, I know nothing of his personal religious beliefs, but he was saying the doctrine of Islam is not peaceful, which it is not. As for what is the answer? I don’t have a clear one b/c the issue is more with the doctrine than the people & that is the real issue, separating those who are peaceful from those who practice a violent doctrine. Vengeance only begets more vengeance & ultimately solves nothing.
plus if you do your research on christian and Muslim both of the religions has caused war death and destruction in the world; both strayed from the principles of the doctrines that their religions stand for
The Qur’an’s fundamentals teach to kill those who do not convert. The bible says love your enemy. It is not the same. Any person of any religion who uses their faith as a means to brutally attack someone is committing evil. The “moderate” Muslim who believes in peace.& speaks out against the travesties being committed is NOT an evil person & is not practicing true Islam. To say all people of any group are one thing or another is not a fair statement. The basic principles are not peaceful. The people practicing true Islam are not peaceful.
sighs but if you do yur research christian have killed and murdered ppl in name of their religion facts and history show you this
I never said that Christians have not killed, I said the bible does not condone it & the Qur’an teaches to kill. No mattee what religion you identify yourself as, murder is wrong, Islam teaches it is not.
plus if you do your research on christian and Muslim both of the religions has caused war death and destruction in the world; both strayed from the principles of the doctrines that their religions stand for
The Qur’an’s fundamentals teach to kill those who do not convert. The bible says love your enemy. It is not the same. Any person of any religion who uses their faith as a means to brutally attack someone is committing evil. The “moderate” Muslim who believes in peace.& speaks out against the travesties being committed is NOT an evil person & is not practicing true Islam. To say all people of any group are one thing or another is not a fair statement. The basic principles are not peaceful. The people practicing true Islam are not peaceful.
sighs but if you do yur research christian have killed and murdered ppl in name of their religion facts and history show you this
I never said that Christians have not killed, I said the bible does not condone it & the Qur’an teaches to kill. No mattee what religion you identify yourself as, murder is wrong, Islam teaches it is not.
True but the bible says love your enemy. The quran says conquer them. The message is not the same. Please do the research and be open minded.
A hot topic. But the fact is that True islams believe that all non believers should be killed. On that premise you can say Bill is right. Ben is upset and emotional because to him only fundamentalists Muslims are the problem not all Muslims. Well that is true but in islam progressives do not believe in jihad but jihad i an integral and core part of islam so in that context Ben is wong because one can argue that non jihad belivers are not true islam.
A hot topic. But the fact is that True islams believe that all non believers should be killed. On that premise you can say Bill is right. Ben is upset and emotional because to him only fundamentalists Muslims are the problem not all Muslims. Well that is true but in islam progressives do not believe in jihad but jihad i an integral and core part of islam so in that context Ben is wong because one can argue that non jihad belivers are not true islam.
it is what it is. there will be good and bad in any people of any race religion or creed. but organized religion as a whole can be very dangerous and islam is the biggest example of how dangerous it can get at the moment.christianity had its turns in the past.
it is what it is. there will be good and bad in any people of any race religion or creed. but organized religion as a whole can be very dangerous and islam is the biggest example of how dangerous it can get at the moment.christianity had its turns in the past.
If you replace Muslim/Islam, with actors, Ben’s little rant becomes apparent, as a “you can’t generalize all actors like that”. His opinion does not matter on this issue because he is too insecure about his own life and profession, to admit that he is insecure as fuck.
My insecurities are about the constant mechanization of jobs that increasingly drive men out of the traditional productive industries, and into industries that leave them no better than wage slaves, or into the highest tax-brackets where they produce so all the parasites that survive off of government can suck at the productive teets of the intelligent, dutiful productive class. (My definition for productive class, is if you manufacture a good or produce a way to manufacture goods. Bankers and paper pushers are excluded from this class, as are entertainers.)
Islam is a religion that accepts the right of men to conquer other lands. It is based off an economic model of infinite expansion, and war. When they take over the globe (the plan of the meme) we will all be muslim and we will all be playing a giant zero-sum game, where infinite expansion isn’t possible. I’m sure there are “moderate muslims”, or as they are called in the Middle East Heretics and Infidels, but like women acting badly, would they step in, to correct a member of their in-group. When was the last time the terminatrix was stopped by a moderate terminatrix, while the ‘fundi’ terminatrix destroyed her kids and her community. It doesn’t happen ever, or when it does, it isn’t often. Religions of conquest are inherently bad, if you are the people they are looking to conquer.
Nuke the towel heads.
If you replace Muslim/Islam, with actors, Ben’s little rant becomes apparent, as a “you can’t generalize all actors like that”. His opinion does not matter on this issue because he is too insecure about his own life and profession, to admit that he is insecure as fuck.
My insecurities are about the constant mechanization of jobs that increasingly drive men out of the traditional productive industries, and into industries that leave them no better than wage slaves, or into the highest tax-brackets where they produce so all the parasites that survive off of government can suck at the productive teets of the intelligent, dutiful productive class. (My definition for productive class, is if you manufacture a good or produce a way to manufacture goods. Bankers and paper pushers are excluded from this class, as are entertainers.)
Islam is a religion that accepts the right of men to conquer other lands. It is based off an economic model of infinite expansion, and war. When they take over the globe (the plan of the meme) we will all be muslim and we will all be playing a giant zero-sum game, where infinite expansion isn’t possible. I’m sure there are “moderate muslims”, or as they are called in the Middle East Heretics and Infidels, but like women acting badly, would they step in, to correct a member of their in-group. When was the last time the terminatrix was stopped by a moderate terminatrix, while the ‘fundi’ terminatrix destroyed her kids and her community. It doesn’t happen ever, or when it does, it isn’t often. Religions of conquest are inherently bad, if you are the people they are looking to conquer.
Nuke the towel heads.
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